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Re: You be the judge....

Postby atr0city » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:08 pm

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Re: You be the judge....

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby D4RR3N » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:16 pm

What in the world is sweeping? Is it the opposite of snapping? Sorry for ignorance but sweeping for me only means grabbing a broom and... sweep...
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Nick » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:33 pm

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby MP/5 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:03 pm

if sweeping is just your aiming style, how come you didnt use to aim like that before you became "magically good over night"?
do you have old demos of you aiming like this, or is it just cause you got a new monitor and pc you decided to turn on acceleration and started aiming like that?
you are not fooling anyone (maybe just zac) and its just a matter of time before you get caught for the 2nd time.
hf while it lasts...
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby clankiller » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:39 pm

what annoys me is seeing shots register that far outside the player model. i have to hit way more inside of a player than that as i simply dont get those kills. wtf no wonder peeps have 150+ kills a pug if thats how its supposed to be..

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby wndg » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:37 am













youtube playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F6h0T6 ... bCj1-XboEo
imgur folder:
http://imgur.com/a/Y7r3G

first, there's 24 single instances in the imgur folder. Second, just because there's only 24 instances in that folder doesn't mean there aren't plenty more examples of various types of bullshit throughout that single nitro demo.

The seemingly mundane sweeps in those youtubes are gizmo trying to mask where his shot is registering by starting his sweep right next to someone and finishing the motion god knows where. Sure it makes it difficult to see where the shot is registering on the model, but it's quite telling in its own right.
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Re: You be the judge....

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Hermione » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:12 am

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Re: You be the judge....

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby massie » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:20 am

maybe some NL admin who is 100% trusted by admin team can come to nicks place or nick comes to his place to play a few pugs to show hes legit ?
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Nick » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:25 am

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Junkyardboy » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:03 am

A way of aiming is not a legitimate answer. You couldn't be any more vague when someone is making accusations towards you. I tried explaining this to you before nick but

one frame shots where your shot goes off the moment you touch the person's body has absolutely nothing to do with acceleration...that's either a.) you using a trigger bot b.) you physically pressing fire on the 0.01 millisecond the moment your crosshair hits the body. Now given the fact that the fastest human reaction time is in the range of 0.05-0.07ms, how is it possible that you can consistently click on fire 0.01ms right before you reach the enemy body. Do you understand how improbable that is to even do that once, let alone 24+ times in a 20minute pug?

In regards to your streaming, let me give you a suggestion.

#1.) I've watched your stream, its a bad angle, you can't see the monitor, your can't see when you are clicking on your mouse and you can't see what buttons you are pressing on your keyboard so please change the angle/height at which you are streaming yourself ;)
#2.) on your stream, please show your task manager top to bottom as what is loaded right before loading unreal tournament to prove that you have absolutely nothing suspicious loaded, make sure the camera focuses on the task manager and shows us what you have loaded.
#3.) please show your task bar on the bottom right hand side as to what you have currently running and show that there is nothing loaded
#3.) leave your camera behind you so we can see both the monitor and your mouse and keyboard somewhat clearly when are getting ready to play.
#4.) turn on the lights or put a proper lamp nearby so we can see a little more clearly, the dark room makes your monitor impossible to see.
#5.) inbetween a change over of maps in a pug, minimize your ut and show us again your task manager.
#6.) Turn off your second monitor while you are playing a pug as it's something that won't be shown in your stream and anything can be going on without the viewers knowing(+ turning off the second monitor should not affect your performance in game, if anything it should increase your performance)

And lastly, please elaborate as to how and why you can manage to hit 1 frame shots 24+ times in one map as you are sweeping. The only players in the past who have ever shared with us that they are sweeping have all been caught for using a trigger bot.

Here is my theory as to what will happen if you manage to do the above when streaming a.) you will forget one of the steps and still leave doubt in everyone's mind that you may still be cheating b.) you will do all the steps, but play very poorly because now you are properly streaming everything, there is no way you can have your cheats loaded in c.)

Just so it gets through to you, you are not being accused by windigo for your sweeping style aiming, but your ability to hit the one frame shots 24+ times see the screen shots...anyone that is claiming that they do this on the regular is also going to be classified in the exact same boat as you nick.

You wanna know something else Nick? If you pulled off the exact same stats, exact same hits exact same wins in the pugs you have played in the past W/O sweeping and without your one frame shots, you wouldn't raise so many red flags, but because you do as well as your immediate jump in skill, you are placed in the boat that you are.

I remember when we had acro banned on ec2 for making just 1 kill around the corner being a 1 frame shot that got him banned from the league. Windigo just providied 24+ instances in one map. that's on average, at least 1 per minute.

I've watched the demo myself, you mention sweeping as your style, please elaborate as to why every single shot you fire isn't a sweep but only a few of them are sweeps. That's another hole in your story that I don't understand. How do you claim sweeping is your aiming style, when you only use it very selectively and not all the time, and when you do, you are hitting 1 frame shots on the corner of the hitbox? it just looks bad nick...nothing personal against you, i'm just pointing out exactly what everyone else is already thinking.

Now let's hear your answers nick, I really want to hear your side of the story. I just don't feel like you understand what people are accusing you for and maybe that's why you are not giving us the right answers that we are asking for? :ugeek:
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby atr0city » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:07 am

Sweeping, and shots firing in the very edge of the hit box. The screen shots wdg posted are already 100% conclusive proof that you trigger nick. Watch any legit players demos, even people who shoot high acc like jyb, myself, rampdrop, etc.. and you'll be lucky to find even one shot that fires on the very edge of the hitbox like that. You do it constantly every map, which the screen shots show. 1ms reaction time. It proves you trigger.

Stop trying to defend yourself, you fucked up. You're toast pal. Good riddens.

Thanks to wdg for putting in the time to put all this stuff together.
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby atr0city » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:08 am

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Cromaniac » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:37 am

so is this a trigger as well? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVOYbkqZBiw Nope, it is result of 130 ping + fucked up newnet. You cannot make such statements regarding hitbox when there are things like this happening, when our shots can be delayed, when you can hit someone while they are not even on your screen, when someone can appear on your screen faster than you appear on his. You can't even claim for certain that beam end is shown exactly where you clicked with your mouse. As i said, if we cannot see hitbox none of your claims mean shit. Welcome to nn people, a broken mode that you all love so much
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Junkyardboy » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:42 am

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Re: You be the judge....

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Lineage » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:00 pm

10:58:45 ‹@egaenil`› guy sweeps so much we should pay him to be the janitor
10:58:51 ‹@egaenil`› i'll be here all day
10:58:52 ‹@egaenil`› 8)
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby atr0city » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:05 pm

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Nick » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:47 pm

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Junkyardboy » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:48 pm

One last request..

the demo of Peak where you went 1v1 peak Low vs. ph34r that only you and Cromaniac can play...can you please record the entire thing in 1080p 60fps and upload to youtube since none of us can play it except for you? that would be fantastic
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby atr0city » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:55 pm

Nick. Shut the fuck up.

Any time you have no defense for clearly conclusive proof that you trigger 100% ie; hitting 1 frame shots with 0.01ms reaction time constantly, you just go to your OH ILL STREAM JUST COME WATCH ME STREAM I DONT CHEAT HERP DERP.

Once again, it is jokeably easy to cheat while streaming and in no way, shape or form proves that you don't cheat.

It's already been proven that you cheat, you're desperately grasping at straws to stay alive. You're done man.

Only thing I can suggest for you is to at least be a man, like I did and admit it. Leave some form of respectability. But, god knows you won't because you are the worst scum baggy cheater this game has ever seen.
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Hermione » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:57 pm

Foresight: *** in the next followint weeks ahead, somehow nick barely pugs anymore and acc and kills decreased daily** :lol:
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby atr0city » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:58 pm

Also, in response to you not acknowledging me because I don't like you.

You're right, I don't like you. And, you know why I don't like you. But the fact that I hate you doesn't sway anything away from the proof that you cheat which was put forward. If I see that evidence, whether it's you or anyone else my response is still the same. Because, that is 100% conclusive proof that you trigger.

Now, fuck off.
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Nick » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:09 pm

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Re: You be the judge....

Postby Shotman » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:44 pm

I would like to chime in. Were you streaming the pug from unrealshots video? Do you stream every pug or only selective pugs? Are your stats when you stream completely different when you do not stream?

As for your webcam you really just need a camera pointing at the keyboard and mouse, then one pointing at the screen. Instead of askimg other people, you should be asking yourself what do the people want to see to prove my innocence. Finally would like to see some admins chime in with their opinion on the video.
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Re: You be the judge....

Postby wndg » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:48 pm

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Here's a sweep kind of like the kind gizmo makes regularly, other than the sweep not being hugely exaggerated there's another big difference but it's one you can't see with the naked eye very easily.

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clean screen shots:

imgur.com/a/BkIDg
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