You be the judge....

[Bryandigm-]

I think we know why Hermione doesn't use a mic in pugs now. Nailed.

[tigerclaw]

There's a big difference between moving your mouse past a player and hitting them in between(sweeping) and hitting someone your crosshair is passing

Either through an unintentional sweep(moving from A > B and happen to get a trace hit shot in between) or hitting them whilst strafing or moving through the air such as from a dodge or bouncer

Most of the examples i've seen here of people 'aiming like gizmo' is from the latter, which is neither unusual nor suspect

Intentionally moving your crosshair past someone on your screen in order to hit them is dodgy, there's no two ways around this

I've said from the start i don't 100% believe gizmo cheats(or care either tbh he's an ok guy), same with(most) of the others who have been accused not only because i don't believe they should need to but because i've seen them get better over time and activity

[khm]

[HULKSMASH]

Dordt de gekste

[finalzje]

Dutch UT mieting in de summer? ai am down.

[khm]

[wndg]

[kE-]

sweepshot != crosshair moving on just cause of movement (ie. dodge)

PLEASE

[exixt]

game looked close right about up until the end in that video
gg both teams

[csnafk]

rip supreme

[Shotman]

Jeez christ this thread is still going on?

[atr0city]

[Cromaniac]

[rev]

This is blatant man. Can somebody explain to me why all these demos are showing these hits in the upper left and right shoulder? I almost never hit people in those areas unless I'm spamming. Makes no sense.

[exixt]

[NakedMan]

[BUDDY]

i kinda skipped to the last page of this thread but just wanted to say that unless these recordings are from clientside demos they are practically useless for determining accurate representations of gameplay

[wndg]

recent pug footage from cro



if anyone wants to use some video editing software and see for themselves what this all looks like frame by frame the mediafire link is a 120fps mp4 video, i'll upload cros in a bit

[Meth]

[Viperzz^]

[Cromaniac]

When you slow it down to "frame by frame", some shots look completely fucked while thats not the case when i view it on my demo. Compare my video to yours at 1:21. your ch is not even on the body??? Also you claim you see a pattern there, anyone else? I hit middle of legs, edge of legs, i hit head, body, shoulders, body again, head again...



I always turn fast and put my crosshair in close proximity of a player, then i do a small and slower flick when i shoot. Then, depending on the distance that opponent is away from me, the sweep like motion will be bigger/smaller. If they are closer to me its gonna be bigger. It is the only way to aim at close distances when making a fast shot with slow sens acceleration. You. have. to. flick. And this is not hard. I can demonstrate how easy it is on inanimate objects in maps, chosen randomly.

You can skip this part:
To be clear, this isn't even the same as "sweeping". It's not like i'm EVER moving my mouse for more than 30-60 degrees (most often on the low side and even less than 30) when i make it happen. Small flicking can be done by anyone when player is close to you (your ch) and your hand positioned properly (in middle of mouse mat). It doesn't make sense to do it with no accel though as you will loose your hand positioning.
In my (accel) case, i need 50cm for 180 when moving mouse slowly which gives me much bigger control and on the other hand, i need around 6 cm for 180 when i move mouse quickly, which makes positioning my hand in the center of mouse mat much easier. This is the exact reason why i always considered acceleration as something that is hard to learn, but superior to normal aim, when perfected. (which is not my case)

I have asked windigo, what do i need to do to prove i can do this, that this is not a cheat. Windigo says that i can't, aiming like that in 1/20th of a second and what not, is inhuman according to him. Now, i find that opinion very disturbing. I can play right in front of his eyes and he would still claim its pointless and proves nothing.

These are my suggestions: video myself and disable all keys on my mouse and keyboard via software so i cannot possibly toggle anything while playing. View would be 90 degrees from top, so that you can perfectly see my mouse movement, when it stops, etc. Opinions? Windigo says it wont prove anything because cheat is active the whole time. Can someone explain to me, how that would work? Cheat being active whole time can be disproven easily, i first aim normal, and then i try really hard to not make one sweep. since toggling is out of question, how can it still be done?

Im type of person that can go as far as installing windows anew, and then installing irc ut and chrome only, all while recording. And thats cus my priorities in life are obviously messed up LOL I would do this of course only if this gets really serious. Which i really doubt it will.

Meth, im a quick aimer/spammer. Shooting 700 shots, usually 200 more than others. I still don't have great aim with acceleration, i only utilize the shooting capabilities of shock rifle. By seeing my demo, you can obviously see how many misses i do in same manner of shooting. Misses by a hair distance. how would you explain those? (EDIT: You can see one big sweep miss by a little distance right there in my video already, last shot)Windigo says, engine gets blocked by wall or something else, that is why lol or something like that. Windigo?

[Cromaniac]

TL DR DC: I ll just focus on my misses for now. If no one manages to explain to me, how i miss shots by zero distance with same aiming style, i won't bother recording myself or anything. I might just bring exact numbers from one demo - how many shots in body, head, edges, how many close misses. That and maybe shoot inanimate objects is all i ll do windigo. Unless you manage to explain. Mentioning walls getting in the way or something last night, is really not convincing since they happen wide in the open 90% of the time.

OH MY GOD ANOTHER EDIT: And, if you actually find some explanation, make sure it cannot be disproven by my mention of disabled keys, because as you claimed, those don't prove anything.

[Darkside]

it's ok. you can rest easy... i doubt anyone will get banned from these.
zzz.

[Cromaniac]

yeah i don't think i'll get banned. I trust act has more understanding of different aim styles, that seem to shock other players. It's more of a concern for other people, because we are small community and people thinking there are cheaters around isn't healthy. If i can convince other people i am not cheating, they ll have more fun pugging and i ll get more positive feedback

[wndg]

The only difference in your recording and mine is that planet sized crosshair of yours and the fact that your video is 30fps. The 1080p might be 60fps on youtube but i couldn't play it, and the 720p clip is 30fps.

[Cromaniac]

No dude, my crosshair is clearly passing his head, yours doesn't touch it. In the demo itself, it looks the same, 1080 works for me fine. Btw crosshair is not that big in the game ;D Maybe its because you don't use centered one? I actually use one Sakura made. Link is still on forums probably.

[Morpheus]

A 'friend' of mine told me when he sweats a lot his nut sack sticks to the side of his leg. The imagine still 'sticks' to the front of my head.

Just wanted you guys to know that and advance from there.

Thanks

[miracle]

I'm not going to get into too much depth with my post. What I will say, is to be completely honest with cro and anyone else who wants to prove their innocence; with the way 2 of the newest cheats that i know about that are a big reason that clips like these are throughly reviewed; can not be proved innocent or guilty to 100 percent at all no matter what you do. Gizmo streamed and did all the things jyb asked, but as well as I told jyb that does not mean he doesn't cheat; but what it does do is give everyone a little bit of a piece of mind. But the truth of the matter is there is no complete way to prove anyone is completely and utterly innocent anymore. I will draw a lot of ?'s from people in this community I am sure. Do I believe sweeping can be part of an aiming style; yes I do. What are the cons of that? there are cheats that were released that use sweeps to trigger an bot; is that always the case? no. But, the thing is it is suspicious none the less for obvious reasons. I don't always agree with windigos insight, but he has a complete reason to be suspicious. Problem is, sweeping was made into a bot program; now ask your self this though. Why would someone make that into a bot program if it is an aimstyle no on uses?. The answer is they wouldn't. The problem is it is an aiming style. Not everyone does it, but it does look normal enough to get past people's eyes in a way that the cheat will become less obvious which is why it was made.

Long story short though. there is no single way to prove 100 percent that you do or don't cheat. You can come relatively close don't give me wrong. But even as I told jyb, 1 of the cheat files can actually disguise its self as a system file. so task manager that gizmo was asked to show and all the steps he did could of been for no reason in the end ( am i saying thats the case and gizmo cheats, no.) But what I am trying to do is open everyone's eyes who are oblivious to accusations. Was I annoyed at all the accusations that have been made, yes and I still am. But it has significantly dropped. I do agree with windigo that he does not just call anyone out. He does study it throughly to a very well point. And He is one of the people who does study everything and look at possibilities regardless of what people think of him. There is a reason windigo isnt that great and hes only accused a few people like this. Again, I do not agree with everything but there is reasons for all of this. There is no way to prove innocence or guilt anymore its a very icy road. And I hate to say it a new anticheat program also won't get rid of 1 of these aim assist programs that i'm talking about. And if you could develop one to get rid of it, I can tell you with 100% confidence it would take months to produce and test and by that time I don't know what the future holds for this game.

I hope this post can kind of open up some eyes to why things like this can't be taken to lightly, and I hope the people being accused can just stay calm and do what is asked of them. If you know in your heart that you do not cheat, then at the end of the day that is all that you need to feel. Assholes are everywhere, if you let every accusation or dirty comment get to you; you will never make it anywhere. But hopefully this post did shed some light, i do not like posting on this topic. So if you want to thrash me or ask me more details feel free to in a irc pm. But i only posted this as to open eyes to some people who may not understand all the things that are going on behind the radar.

[Darkside]

[Meth]